Gregoire Vitry:

It would be interesting to have your immediate reaction to the workshop, as a doctor on this subject of procrastination and on the approach.

Dr. CHEN: - Yes, it brought me a lot because often, we don't have enough time to deepen the subjects. We see you, I say you because there are other speakers with whom we have also rarely had the opportunity to get to the bottom of things.

It's very interesting to have feedback on your personal experience, and of course your method.

For me, it is important to have a working method. There, I understood that there was a protocol for each indication.

That's reassuring for us if we send someone to you because we know that together we can better channel things, move forward, and not just look in the past for emotional shocks. There are always some in everyone's life...

And then how to define things? How to get to the most important? Because in fact, if you say to a young person: “Johan who had problems with his mother, his brother… well he will understand it but in the present, right away, what will he change? ? How to help him change? You see?

G. Vitry: We don't know if it's the work, in the present, of how to change that is interesting to understand. We see in any case, on our side, a complementarity compared to you in the work between the drugs, the prescriptions and the work on energy. For us, it all comes together.

Dr. CHEN: It's systemic, it's the systemic approach.

G. Vitry: Which patients precisely have mental difficulties?

Dr. CHEN: The hardest thing is that these are patients who suffer from chronic depression. So it feels like it never ends. One can, as a therapist, be complacent, just conciliatory.

G. Vitry: Yes, that's what we call these patients who intimidate us or annoy us

Dr. CHEN: Yes, sometimes there are people who are lethargic, repetitive and stay that way. All that to say that in rich societies, there are more people with depression because in fact, we help them, we assist them and they victimize themselves.

Claude de Scorraille: The more there will be a protection system at some point, the more we limit ourselves to overprotection which obviously contributes to weakening them.

Dr CHEN and Dr GHAOUI: it's the trap!!

G. Vitry: So how do you deal with these patients?

Dr. CHEN: In my case, I have people who have seen psychiatrists, psychologists… who are shooting you know; they are nomads. Some people come back to see me. I have the impression that they need a certain security, someone they can come back to see from time to time, who reassures them.

I feel like I'm not doing much because these are somewhat hopeless cases, but they come back anyway and it's become obsessive.

C. de Scorraille: Does that mean that you still relieve them if they come back, but except that it's chronic?

Dr. CHEN: What I have in my therapeutic arsenal is the possibility of calming their secondary, secondary physical disorders. So if they are too anxious, if they suffer from colitis, various pains, etc., that calms them down and they are happy. But sometimes, the psychic side remains anchored.

C. de Scorraille: It resists!

Dr. CHEN: I find your organization interesting to us. And that you are several. When you came to the group, I know that there were some general practitioners who were a little… let's say dubious.

G. Vitry: It's normal!

Dr. CHEN: It is normal because many generalists are still and only in the body. There are also a number of therapists who also have other ideas.

C. de Scorraille: Absolutely, yes.

Dr. CHEN: You, it's a different approach and it affects a number of doctors, the proof! There are people who are interested like Pascale (Dr GHAOUI) and me in human psychology, in humanism, while many general practitioners are still in physical treatment and drug therapies.